joelstrumpet

1norma wrote:nope. completely different thing.


I guess I should explain

The word for earth is "ge"

It has more than one meaning.

1) arable land

2) the ground, the earth as a standing place

3) the main land as opposed to the sea or water

4) the earth as a whole

a) the earth as opposed to the heavens

b) the inhabited earth, the abode of men and animals

5) a country, land enclosed within fixed boundaries, a tract of land, territory, region

Once again, if we were reading this in Greek only then it would just say "ge" not earth or world or a country.

In the end, when all is said and done and the age ends, then how prophecy was fulfilled will give meaning as to how the word should have been translated into English.

So what I believe to be the case in this or that part of the prophecy is what I wrote in my web site. Just because I think it means country in one place doesn't mean that I would think it means country in all the places where the word is used. That would be illogical.


In Him
Norma

Norma,

I have read many (not all) of your posts in regards to this subject. In using years for the 1260, 1290, and 1335, times, times and half a time, and 42 months, what conclusions have you reached? Has the abomination of desolation already occured in your opinion?

Norma,

If your time allows, I would also be very interested in learning more on how you came to the conclusion that Daniel 9 and Daniel 11 speak of two different abominations. If I understand correctly, your conclusion is that 9 equates to destruction and 11 is appauling in interpretation of desolation? That would make much sense in regards to studies I have been doing and would answer many questions. This is the first I have heard of such an interpretation. I would love to understand more so I can take it back to some Hebrew language experts for analysis.

In Him,

j

If I remember correctly from past discussions (way in the past), Norma would say that the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount is the abomination that causes desolation, as it is a place of worship for the enemy of God.

Hello, I am new to this forum, but this happens to be a subject I have studied a lot. The question of the 1260, 1290 and 1335 days must be understood in terms of the Jewish holidays. The 2300 days refers only to what has already taken place in the BC. The return of Christ is tied to the Jewish Feasts just as His death and resurrection was (as well as Pentecost). If you begin with the Feast of Trunpets in the first year of the tribulation and continue to the passover in the middle of the third year you would count 1260 days. Because of the unique nature of the Jewish calender you then can count 1290 days until the end of the 7th year (the 8th Feast of Trumpets) when Christ has returned and fought the final battle with the forces of the AC on the Day of atonement (the 1290th day) which is also known as the Day of Judgment. 45 days from that point comes the Feastival of Lights, another Jewish holiday which Christ celebrated in his lifetime which is when the temple was rededicated in the Maccabean revolt. We must also understand the difference of when Daniel is speaking of AE who was a forerunner of AC and the AC himself. The 2300 days was actually 1150 days and 2300 mornings and evenings and was the amount of time from when AE set up the image of Zeus in the temple and killed the sow upon the alter until the temple was liberated. Thanks for your time and may the Lord bless you.

The two witnesses die (Rev. 11:7-10) before the Antichrist and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire (Rev. 19-20). The 1,260 days for the two witnesses has to begin before the 42 months for the Antichrist.


Second half:

|----------------------1,260 days----------------------|
....... |----------------------42 months----------------------|
|---------------------------1,290 days-----------------------|
|--------------------------------------1,335 days-----------------------------| Millennium

I myself believe in the historical fulfillment of prophecy.
That is usually called Historicism.
Unlike preterism it doesn't throw everything into the past, and unlike furturism doesn't thow everything into the future.

That means there is a consecutive fulfillment running through history as God deals in the affairs of man.

This was the protestant position up till the 20th Century when Darby and Schofield popularised the futurist theory generated by Manuel De Lacunza and Cardinal Robert Bellarmine as a response to damning Protestant claims the Pope fulfilled ALL the requirements of antichrist. (Which he does.)

This means that after 2000 years since the birth of Christ the likelihood that these times have not only commenced but have concluded is very high.

To keep it simple as possible for now I hold the view that the 1260 years was the period of Papal Dominance till the events of 1870 when the "three horns that were plucked out" were lost by the Vatican.

Its revival is the wound which was healed by Mussolini by issuing the Vatican it now territory of Vatican State.
Even the newspapers ran with that title in some places.

The 1335 though not dogmatic about it, I am greatly encouraged and see as a cure for 21st century laodecian christianity luke warm attitude to their faith which I see as possibly fulfilled in 1917.

To listen to an excellent sermon on this and its fulfillment go to

http://resources.christianity.com/detai ... 0A72A.aspx

This is quite relevant to this site too because of its dealing with the issue of Islam and Jerusalem.

Hi Norma,

I know this is later on after the discussion has finished but I just had a thought on what you finished with. By the way the discussion was very interesting. I may be wrong but I think you seem to believe that Israel had its chance to believe in Jesus while he was standing in front of them and that was the 70th week but they didn't believe, but doesn't Paul tell us that because of their unbelief that salvation has come to the gentiles and that although God knew that would happen it has meant you and I are saved through the Jewish Messiah's work? Wouldn't that explain a gap between the 69th week and the 70th week? The time of grace as it is sometimes called I think. Also, isn't salvation presently personel and down to each individual believing in the One God sent so it stands to reason that as a nation Israel did not believe (yet) but as individuals many believed and then brought the gospel to the world. So Jesus finished his work on earth as the Father instructed him and went to be at His right hand in heaven to wait till Jerusalem says "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord". (Will this be after their cry for help or before?) So the work was not incomplete just expanded to include more saved people to enter into God's kingdom.

God Bless